WOOD TV in Grand Rapids reports that Bradley Fowler is claiming 20 years of emotional distress because his family’s pastor used a translation of the Bible published by Zondervan which uses the word “homosexual” in its translation of 1 Corinthians 6:9. As a result Bradley claims his family considered him a sinner and he suffered.
Zondervan issued a statement saying that it doesn’t translate the Bible, it only publishes the Bible. The translations are determined by a committee of qualified scholars.
The suit was filed on Tuesday, July 7 in federal court in Detroit. Will a federal court actually go so far as to get involved in what words can be used in the translation of a sacred text?
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Ed & Nancy, I agree, a forum is a more appropriate venue.
Nancy, all 3 forms of schooling (home, private, and public) have their pros and cons. I know homeschoolers who SHOULDN’T and I know pastors who graduated from public schools. IMHO, in the end it comes down to the parents’ involvement.
I really like the broadcasts as well. I don’t always get to listen live, as DH while the sweetest hubby on the planet…does expect regular feeding times to be observed.*: ) Facebook is good for checkin’ in on the cousins and the kidos, but I don’t like the way it times out and the ads on the side bar are offensive to me.
We homeschool, got 1 in college, and 3 left.
Paul needs to lauch a god and culture forum for this madness. Perhaps that is what he intended with Facebook, but that is not good for this kind of exchange. I email him this opinion, haven’t heard from him.
I am totally privileged to listen to Paul’s broadcast on my daily commute 🙂
I’ll go 2 cents on that one…home schooling… I’ve been thinking about blogging about choosing not to home school… Every time the subject comes up around DSC(Dawrl’n son C)…he thanks me profusely…He thinks with my Mary Poppins outlook he wouldn’t have gotten two feet out the front door before becoming a proverbial frisbee squirrel.*: ) I suppose sometimes there is an advantage to adversity. Glad to see you have a sense of humor b/Bo…a merry heart IS good medicine and chases away the growlies.
Nancy, it IS kind of funny how far off topic we’ve gotten. 🙂 It’s also interesting to see people from all over participating. You’re down in Texas, ColinSamul is over in Grand Rapids, d/Do/Do? is in NC, fellow homeschooler Arthur appears to be downriver, and Ed is obviously from Eastpointe. 🙂 I hope some of these side discussions have been edifying whether or not we end up agreeing in the end.
This is GREAT *: )…One of the way fun things about this blog, is the rabbit trails…Kinda like the whisper game we start with law suits for 60M and end up with our 2 cents of evaluation on the thoughts of others…We have at least 2 cents left does anyone want to up the ante…*: )
ColinSamul,
I’d love to discuss this further with you; do you think we should do it here or take it offline? Also, could you provide a couple of examples of passages to focus the discussion; otherwise I’m not sure if we’re talking about the same thing. Thanks!
I think many or most homosexuals miss the point…”All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.” And many Christians miss this point about homosexuals. You are no better than the homosexual, but the homosexual’s claim that they are not sinners is not theologically correct. Christians are sexually sinful as well. Even if just in their thoughts… They need to recognize this in some cases. However, the homosexual movement portrays homosexuality as ‘good’ and themselves as ‘good people.’ I think this is theologically false, and there is a political attempt to undermine the teaching of the Bible.
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b,
The major flaw of the rabbinacle hermneutic is that all the rabbincle writings that we have are from like the 5-9th centuries AD, not only after Jesus, but when the Jews were trying to stay as far away from Christian interpretations of the scriptures. What do you do with the fact that Jesus condemned the Pharisaical and Scribal interpretations of the scriptures?
Nancy,
I thought Do was more into PSR and the KJV than he was into Pink – Pink is too Calvinistic, Dispensational, and Plymouth Brethren for him methinks. 🙂 FYI, I still have tons of Pink, Bunyan, and Schaeffer in my library, but tie me to McKnight all you want (and loosely to the good stuff by McLaren and Bell). While you’re at it, throw in Ben Witherington, N.T. Wright, and the granddaddy Dallas Willard).
Bo…be careful we might get you tied to quotes from Scot McKnight…*: ) Someone else likes to quote A.W. Pink…me think that is Do.
Bo,
I would like you to take anothr look at Colin’s comment #26…
A good example of paganism becoming mixed with Christianity is our “good friends” the Quakers…I don’t know if you have ever read anything about George Foxe, generally believed to be the founder of the Quakers. It is a very interesting story…They started out with the best of intentions, but failed to recognize the total depravity of unregenerated man, believing good = God and that some good was in every man. They believed they just needed to help mankind reveal the God within. Unfortunately X number of years down the road and…there is rampant paganism within this sect that most people believe to be genuinely, loving, peaceable Christians.
I have no doubt that there are Christians within their number however, when we are missing part of the equation, or have shifed our focus we are setting ourselves up for a mixture which will at some time down the road come to an unwanted conclusion.
Here are some scriptures to think on concerning my previous post on focus.
John 17:3 (KJV)
3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Romans 14:17 (KJV)
17For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
It is indeed a wonderful truth that we can walk in Kingdom living here and now…the degree with which we let the Living Word of God dwell within us is porportionate to the degree we will see this Kingdom living realized in our lives.
Ed,
http://www.JesusCreed.org is an excellent site, rich in content, discussion, and administered by a theologian (Scot McKnight) who fairly represents all sides of the discussion. He tries to help everyone understand where the others are coming from and harmonize seemingly different points of view that are in the end “violent AGREEments” about the same thing. Scot’s books “A Community Called Atonement” and “The Jesus Creed” are available at Amazon and elsewhere. It’s a great, fair, understandable place to start.
Arthur,
There were no Gentiles in the early church for a while. Jesus was a Jew. The apostles were Jews. The 3000 who received the good news on Pentecost – Jews. As far as the “when I was younger stuff”, that was to let you know that I understand where you’re coming from because I’ve been there; it was about empathy, not condescension. And I’ve made plenty of arguments based on scripture; while I may not have littered my postings with scripture addresses, those familiar with scripture will see my appeal to numerous passages. God bless you on your journey! 🙂
b,
“This isn’t Gnosticism; to me it’s just more consistent with the understanding the Jewish early church had regarding the kingdom of God.”
The early church was not a Jewish church, it was the Christian church made up of Jews and Gentiles, the elect of God. The Christian church is not an offshoot of Judaism, it is the elect bride of Christ.
It kills me when you start up with the “When I was younger I thought like you but as I grew in wisdom I came to a deeper knowledge.” stuff. Far wiser and better read men than you have come to essentially the same conclusions I have, and I assume that Paul and Ed from Eastpointe have regarding the nature of the church and the message of the Scripture.
“There’s no way I’ll convince you…”
You can’t convince me because you haven’t made a single cogent, Scripture based argument. All you have done is make a bunch of unsubstantiated assertions. We call those “opinions” where I come from.
b, a good book, or website you can offer? I went round and round with my pastor over an issue, and he took the same stance, we could not connect until we got a website or a book on the subject, lots more info to read when possible, then we had some common ground to discuss….