Internationally renowned Christian apologist and theologian Ravi Zacharias raised a bit of controversy in evangelical circles back in November of 2004 when he accepted an invitation to speak at the Mormon Tabernacle in Salt Lake City, UT. He chose for his subject “The Exclusivity and Sufficiency of Jesus Christ.” I asked Dr. Zacharias recently if he were at all concerned about the potential for a Mormon becoming president in the person of Mitt Romney:
What we want is a politician who will understand the basic Judeo-Christian world view, and on the basis of that the moral laws of this nation are framed, and then run this country with the excellence of that which is recognized in a pluralistic society: the freedom to believe or to disbelieve, and the moral framework with which this was conducted: the sanctity of every individual life.
If we are looking for a minister to run this country just look back and see what havoc sometimes has happened when the church got aligned totally with the state. That’s not what we want. We want political leadership that is wise, political leadership that frames itself on the moral framework of God and recognizing that you cannot dictate political ideaology to all of humanity. That’s why Jesus refused to run for office, that was not what his mission was about. His mission was to change hearts.
But as you look back at the book of Kings and Chronicles you see one difference between every king: either they followed the Lord with their whole heart and blessing came; or they turned their backs upon God and then the entailments were there. And that’s what will happen to this country.
Would we rather have someone who is a total secularist? Is that what people are asking for? Are we looking for someone who would run this the way he would run a bishoprick or something? I think we should ask the hard questions of everybody, be it Mitt Romney or anyone else and see if the framework of the value of human life and the moral framework of the Judeo-Christian world view, (which is the only moral framework under which this country could have been framed. It was not framed under a Hindu framework. It was not framed under a Muslim framework, not framed under a Buddhist or a naturalistic framework) that we are all created equal, that liberty and justice and all of those terms that I’ve given only make sense within the Judeo-Christian world view.
Created? Equal? Naturalism does not tell us we are equal. Naturalism does not tell us we are created. Liberty? Islam does not believe in the total liberty of the individual. Equal? Hinduism believes in the caste system. The Judeo-Christian world view is the only world view that could frame this country. And so I think as we elect, we go before God and see out of the candidates who will be the best one to represent the values and at the same time be a good leader for the country whose first responsibility should be to protect its citizens.
This is a great country and the challenges we face are immense to a point where this country could be totally mangled with the onslaught of a rabid atheism ala Christopher Hitchens, Samuel Harris, Richard Dawkins, those kinds of vociferous, acerbic writers in our time who would like to strip the notion of God completely from our culture. For Sam Harris to actually say if he had a magic wand to eradicate religion or eradicate rape, he would eradicate religion tells you the kind of mindset, and his book is in the top ten bestseller list of the New York Times. There’s a rabid atheism out there and there’s a rabid Islamic extremism out there and the secularism combined with that. I’ve responded to Sam Harris in a book which will be released in the early part of next year. I’ve said to him basically his choice is not going to be between religion and secularism. His choice is going to be between Islam and Christianity. Secularism has no staying power and has proven itself in Europe today. Europe is on the decline and on the demise and it’s only a matter of time before Islam would take a foothold there unless the Christian world view reemerges.
Daniel
Your question is answered in the quote. “this prophecy”. It still applies however. As far as your commission, have at it, I will take my own advise.
Don
Don-
Thank you for the chapters and verses referenced. They are true.
Recognizing the deceiver seems to be the problem then. All of the different and changing doctrines that are put forth as being from God can’t be true. Someone is doing a pretty good job of stirring up anger and confusion in the hearts of men.
Don, do you mind if I ask you a question? Is the verse you quoted from Revelation referring to that particular book or is it referring to the collection of books and epistles we have as our Holy Bible?
I hope to continue to grow in understanding and in ability to serve the Lord. I know I have a long way to go. I am sure in my testimony that I belong to the one true church on the entire face of the earth and by the priesthood that I hold I have been commissioned to participate in the great work of the latter days.
Daniel
The answer to your question is simple. I’m surprised you have to ask!
“Yea, hath God said?”
The battle is defined in Ephesians 6:12. It has always been the same.
“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
We as men of flesh try to bring this battle to our home field. It shall never be won on this plane. It is a grander battle than we as mortal men can comprehend.
I turned 55 yesterday and can tell you that after this many years it is crystal clear to me. You are not the enemy, false religion is not the enemy, Islam is not the enemy. These are but the tools of the great deceiver. The title of “The Enemy” belongs to Satan, and him alone.
Who ever we elect will be nothing more than a player in this battle. Me personally, I serve under a greater commander in chief than can be produced in the realm of mere flesh.
When any one steps aside from the Word of God, ( the Word of God that became flesh and dwelt among us,) and adds to or subtracts from it, he joins the ranks of the first deserter of pure truth.
“And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” Revelation 22:19
Daniel,
I proclaim not, to be a scholar of any sorts. But I know a warning when I see one. This one, in the vernacular is clear, Do Not Mess With This Book. You may hold to all of your other authorities if you wish, “as for me and my house we will serve the Lord”. I wish you the best and hope you do not have to stand before God with your present theological system.
May the great I AM open your eyes.
Don
Ben–
I recognize that many think there are two separate and distinct discussions going on here, but I think not. You cannot separate a man from what he believes, for he will surely govern with the same philosophy. That is why I am trying to explain some of the tenants of our faith to you.
Hooray! we agree that there are 3 separate and distinct persons in the Godhead. I apologize for my error. I assumed that you believed as most of Christianity does, that the Father and Son were the same God.
From my Bible dictionary: GOD–
When one speaks of God, it is generally the Father who is referred to; that is Elohim. All mankind are his children. The personage known as Jehovah in Old Testament times, and who is usually identified in the Old Testament as LORD ( in capital letters ) is the son, known as Jesus Christ, and who is also a God. Jesus works under the direction of the Father and is in complete harmony with him. All mankind are his brethren and sisters, he being the eldest of the spirit children of Elohim. Many of the things that the scripture says were done by God were actually done by the LORD ( Jesus). thus the scripture says that ” God created the heaven and the earth” but we know that it was actually the LORD ( Jesus ) who was the creator or as Paul said, god created all things by Christ Jesus. the Holy Ghost is also ( A ) God and is variously called the Holy Spirit, the Spirit, the Spirit of God, Etc. — there is more but I will stop for now.
Please tell me when your beginning was, if you are not eternal.
I am really happy to have found this church and its teachings. Many seekers are going astray, by following teachings offered in most Christian churches. I do want Mitt to win this election. I honestly feel that this nation is ready for truth. You see so many people searching for truth and dying for the lack of understanding. Correct principles understood and lived have helped those who come into this church become a peculiar people, in the eyes of the world. Any casual observer of Mitt’s campaign will confirm my statement. He is a little peculiar to most of you non- Mormons, isn’t he?
There are 2 parallel discussion going on here:
1. Is Mitt Romney a good candidate for presidency? Counting everything, not only his beliefs, but also his record.
2. Is Mormonism Christian?
Daniel you said:
” As long as you believe the Godhead is composed of 1 individual with 3 separate names ( Father, Son, and Holy Ghost ) which describes the Nicene Creed, you and I will never understand the scriptures in the same way.”
What are you saying? When did I claimed such a thing? That’s another heresy. Please read a little, the concept of Trinity has been there since the begging of the Church. There are 3 persons in the Godhead, not one individual with 3 names (God is not a schizophrenic).
Again one simple question: Define what you mean by God. How is the Father God? How is Jesus God? How are we Gods?
If the answer to this question is not the same then you are just playing with words.
You also said: “WE ARE ALL ETERNAL” . Another heresy, we are not eternal (without a beginning).
I am really sad, Mormonism leads so many people astray from the real gospel. So many people will have such a huge surprise on Judgment Day.
So yes, I will have to take that in consideration when I go to vote: Do I really want someone leading our country that will promote a heresy?
I don’t know what’s worse: do be secular or to claim to be a Christian when you are not.
Once again, I see that no one is using the common sense I talked about in posting #23. Whoever Mitt Romney uses to guide his life is good enough for me and should be for you to. I have learned that you don’t belittle success, if its done honestly, The problem I have with most all of the blogs, and I’m only speculating, is that they’re posted by people without the life expeiences of this man. It’s great to have the beliefs you all have and I respect them, but we need a LEADER. not a philosopher, not a dreamer, not a self serving lawyer, but a energetic, forward thinking, humble, morally clean, exceptionally bright, proven LEADER. If he is also articulate, handsome, witty, and a good husband and father, BONUS. So he doesn’t have exactly the same beliefs most of you have. SO WHAT.
If he wasn’t all the above, he wouldn’t be in the position he is, running what I believe, is a brilliant campaign for the highest office in the land. Has his religeon gotten in the way thus far in his successful life, HELLO OUT THERE, then why do you all think it would make a difference now. Many of you need to get out from in front of these computers more and learn a little about life. Believe me, you’ll find yourself happier and more fulfilled than sitting at a screen “scripture bashing” with each other.
As for me and mine, I recognize a winner when I see one and am coMITTed to Romney.
The liberal left and MSM would absolutely love to see the Christian Right implode upon itself over Romney.
The question is whether Christian conservatives are really that stupid. Most of the media secretly think they are, but I hope they aren’t.
But Karl Fehn is playing right into the hands of the lefties.
He said “I believe that is if comes down to picking a true Christain (sic) (that would be Hillary Clinton right) verses picking a Mormon (like Mitt Romney), I myself would have vote for the true Christain (sic) (Hillary Clinton).” (parenthesis mine)
Daniel GW
I also have had a run in with Virginia Daddy over in http://truthrestored.townhall.com/
I know why he wore your patience a little thin. Keep up the good work.
GB
Moranism and Christianity are two different religions, which should be all that is needed to be said given the major differences in doctrines. I agree with Dr. Ravi Zacharias when he said, “If we are looking for a minister to run this country just look back and see what havoc sometimes has happened when the church got aligned totally with the state. That’s not what we want.” My problem comes down to is the leader we are electing going to God for guidness and direction in prayer and God’s Word, or are they going others places not of God. I believe that is if comes down to picking a true Christain verses picking a Mormon, I myself would have vote for the true Christain. If it was between a Muslin verse a Mormon, then I might have a hard time between those two and I personally would be willing to vote for some third party candidate (even if they did not have a chance to win).
Why would I vote for a 3rd party even if they would lose, because I want people to see votes going to those 3rd aprties so they know taht are not stuck vote for two parties that are not lining up with their moral, eithics, and beliefs. These 3rd parties might have a chance in the future if more and more people see people willing to vote thier beliefs and not just a popular party name.
Whether Mormon, Athist, New Age, Budist, or Muslin, if they all looks for wisdom and guidness other then the true God, and that greatly concerns me. I understand we are in no way a Christian Nation, our overall behvoir proves that, but we are a nation that has relied on God for help and guidness since it’s founding and the further and further we get from God, the further and further this nations will be frmo God and His Blessings and Mercy.
We need to vote our beliefs because everyone else that wants Christians to leave their beliefs our of the voting booths are the some people using their beliefs in the voting booths. Our beliefs are want makes us who we are, and and we do (or not do). As American, it is our right and previlege to vote our beliefs when picking pur leaders and representatives. The word there, “representives” should say it all, that the people we are voting for are the best choice available to “represent” us in government. So, what excuse do we have to not vote for (no matter what party the person is in) a person that best represents our views and beliefs.
In the end, God is the one in control and our Hope is in Him, not man (or a polictical party). We all need to continue to pray on these matters and let God work through His people. I am very thankful to God that I do not have to count on politican or the government, but that I can count on Him.
Ben-
I prefer the King James version for it has a beautiful style, a more reverent sound. Also, I feel that it is clearer and truer to Paul’s message, in this translation.
Philippians 2: 5-7 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Ben, if you will check my prior post you will see that I stated that WE ARE ALL ETERNAL. Don’t put words in my message that are not there. Yes, our Lord is eternal, our spirits are eternal, and all material ( or matter ) is eternal. The elements can be rearranged, but not destroyed.
As long as you believe the Godhead is composed of 1 individual with 3 separate names ( Father, Son, and Holy Ghost ) which describes the Nicene Creed, you and I will never understand the scriptures in the same way.
We believe that this life is patterned after the eternal life of God.
Meaning- the same! Jesus has a Father in Heaven who is the Father of his spirit. He also is the literal Father of Jesus in flesh. We have a Father in Heaven who is the Father of our spirits. We however, cannot claim God as our Father in the flesh. THE FATHER AND THE SON ARE TWO SEPERATE BEINGS AND THE HOLY GHOST IS THE THIRD MEMBER OF THE GODHEAD. Leave it to some uninspired men to define the Godhead and you come up with an explanation that no one comprehends.
Don- I’m really not that bad. What do you think has caused so much confusion in Christianity and its teachings?
Philippians 2:5,6,7
Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
The key word here: EQUALITY.
We can play with words forever, but the bottom line question is this: Is Jesus God or not? You seem to claim that He is, but then again you claim that He is not eternal. That is the same as claiming that a square has only 3 sides.
1.If you strip Jesus of His eternity (among other attributes) then you can’t say He is God. How is He God?
2.If He is not God (with all the attributes) as the Father is, then He is no God at all.
3. And if He is not God, then His sacrifice has no value.
If I’m missing something let me know.
See, historically this is an error with which the church had to deal with from its beginnings. That was the reason Augustine had to write against them:
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1301.htm
Don, I appreciate the advice.
Ben
Titus 3:10 “A man that is a heretick after the first and second admonition reject,”
Jeremiah 8:9 “The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo they have rejected the word of the Lord; and what wisdom is in them?”
Ben–
In the beginning was Jesus, and Lucifer, and you, and me, and Jesus was with God and the rest of us, and Jesus was indeed God, and the rest of us weren’t Gods, and the Father requested that his eldest, first born spirit Son, who was and is perfect in obedience to the will of the Father, create ( organize the eternal elements ) all things. He did! In Him was life ( the pattern for us ) to grow and receive light (knowledge) to overcome darkness ( igornance, which causes sin and brings suffering and misery.) The light (truth) shines in the face of darkness ( error or sin ) and this darkness will be overcome just as turning on a light in a dark room makes darkness flee.
Jesus is only equal to all of the rest of us in the respect that He has the same Father that we have. He is the only spirit that came to earth and received a body that never, ever sinned. He learned, line upon line, He submitted to all that His Father required of Him, and He suffered all of the trials and temptations that Lucifer sent against Him, without failing His mission to redeem a fallen creation.
Answer to question #38 should be: To lead us back to His Father, and our Father by GIVING US A BLUEPRINT ( His works ), and by also BEING PERFECT ( unblimished, sinnless) He was able to SHOW MERCY TO US and to SATISFY THE DEMANDS OF JUSTICE by TAKING OUR SINS upon Himself and by PAYING THE PRICE ( crucified) for them.
Jesus and all of us are eternal beings. All things are eternal to God.
Can’t Westminster Larger Catechism simplify?
Daniel G.W.:
You said: “Christ, Lucifer, and all of us are children of the same Father of our spirits. One was perfect in all ways, one rebelled against truth, and the rest of us get to choose which one we want to be like.”
Compare that with John 1:1-5.
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.”
Here Jesus is not equal with Lucifer and the rest of us. He is God of very God. Eternal, one with the Father.
I know I keep repeating myself, but listen to me please, not because I’m smart or better than you (’cause I’m not). Listen to me because this is the word of God. Jesus is as God as the Father is. If He is not then His sacrifice can’t be good enough to save us.
Westminster Larger Catechism answers the same questions too:
Question 38: Why was it requisite that the Mediator should be God?
Answer: It was requisite that the Mediator should be God, that he might sustain and keep the human nature from sinking under the infinite wrath of God, and the power of death; give worth and efficacy to his sufferings, obedience, and intercession; and to satisfy God’s justice, procure his favor, purchase a peculiar people, give his Spirit to them, conquer all their enemies, and bring them to everlasting salvation.
God’s eternal justice can not be satisfied by a sacrifice that is not eternal. If Jesus is not eternal, then his death on the cross means nothing.
sflcat–I am NOT acknowledging that Latter Day Saints and the rest of Christianity are two different religions. We have differences in doctrine but NOT in whom we follow. Yes, I agree that God’s will is being done by giving us the right to freely believe and follow after any person or belief system we choose.
Benjamin Nitu- I don’t seem to find any reference to intercourse in my copy of Mormon Doctrine. I seem to have heard there is a way for a woman to conceive and bare a child without having to submit to intercourse.
Yes, Christ, Lucifer, and all of us are children of the same Father of our spirits. One was perfect in all ways, one rebelled against truth, and the rest of us get to choose which one we want to be like.
Yes, this Jesus is the Jesus Christ that we all seek to obey and follow.
He is the one spoken of in the gospels who can save us by obedience to His laws and living the principles He taught.
Ben- Of late I have become a little more upfront with my replies to errors concerning LDS beliefs and doctrines. Sorry if you were insulted!
So Ravi, answer the question. I love you but you are speaking like a politician. Yes or no?
Ben
Good character.
May God bless you also.
Daniel
Thanks for your honesty.
Don, thank you for the article …
It was on point #3 where I wanted to point out the consequences of believing that “Jesus Christ is our elder brother who progressed to godhood, having first been procreated as a spirit child by Heavenly Father and a heavenly mother; He was later conceived physically through intercourse between Heavenly Father and the virgin Mary (Achieving a Celestial Marriage, p. 129; Mormon Doctrine, pp. 546-547; 742). Mormon doctrine affirms that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers (Gospel Principles, pp. 17-18; Mormon Doctrine, p. 192)”
Like I said before:This Jesus is not the Jesus of the gospels and this Jesus can’t save anyone.
Terry: You either do not believe what the LDS believe or just don’t understand exactly the difference or the consequences of your beliefs. Jesus is the unique Son of God and is co-eternal and co-equal with the Father. If He is not, then we’re lost forever.
Talia: Like I said before, there is no doubt that Jesus is considered to be God in LDS, however his “divinity” is not the Father’s divinity. And again, I can’t stress enough how important is this distinction. If Jesus is not God as the Father is, then his sacrifice has no power.
Daniel, I accept the insult. May God bless you!
That said…
I have absolute faith that God’s will is done on earth, regardless of who is elected…
DGW – Thanks for finally acknowleging what has been argued all along…that LDS and Christians are from two separate religions.
I wanted to better understand ” Judeo-Christian” i found this site thought it was very good :
http://www.jewishworldview.com/0304/prager_2004_03_30_04.php3
MArk USA
Don- Thanks for pointing out many of the doctrines that the Lord’s church differs in from orthodox Christians. Yes, the Mormon church is the only one on earth recognized by God as His and containing the fullness of the gospel.
We don’t argue with apostate churches, that follow Christ, about whether or not they have the right to call themselves christian. You are a part of the broader christian community even if you haven’t heard “and now the rest of the story”. Yes, sorry to have to report, but there is a lot more that God is going to reveal, in due time. Problem is, your teaching that the heavens are sealed and we only have ONE book to refer to for all of his dealings with mankind, from the beginning of recorded history until the end.
By the way, the Bible doesn’t teach most of the things that orthodox
Christians are following, and using THROUGH THE AGES doesn’t add any weight to the validity of the charge.
Many, many errors in your interpretation of the LDS writings you and your sources presented, but since you have so much trouble with understanding the Holy Bible, which you have always had, then I guess it is reasonable to expect that these new writings might baffle you.
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Is Mormonism Christian? This may seem like a puzzling question to many Mormons as well as to some Christians. Mormons will note that they include the Bible among the four books which they recognize as Scripture, and that belief in Jesus Christ is central to their faith, as evidenced by their official name, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Furthermore, many Christians have heard the Mormon Tabernacle Choir sing Christian hymns and are favorably impressed with the Mormon commitment to high moral standards and strong families. Doesn’t it follow that Mormonism is Christian?
To fairly and accurately resolve this question we need to carefully compare the basic doctrines of the Mormon religion with the basic doctrines of historic, biblical Christianity. To represent the Mormon position we have relied on the following well-known Mormon doctrinal books, the first three of which are published by the Mormon Church: Gospel Principles (1997), Achieving a Celestial Marriage (1976), and A Study of the Articles of Faith (1979) by Mormon Apostle James E. Talmage, as well as Doctrines of Salvation (3 vols.) by the tenth Mormon President and prophet Joseph Fielding Smith, Mormon Doctrine (2nd ed., 1979) by Mormon apostle Bruce R. McConkie and Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith.
1. The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that there is only one True and Living God and apart from Him there are no other Gods (Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 43:10,11; 44:6,8; 45:21,22; 46:9; Mark 12:29-34).
By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that there are many Gods (Book of Abraham 4:3ff), and that we can become gods and goddesses in the celestial kingdom (Doctrine and Covenants 132:19-20; Gospel Principles, p. 245; Achieving a Celestial Marriage, p. 130). It also teaches that those who achieve godhood will have spirit children who will worship and pray to them, just as we worship and pray to God the Father (Gospel Principles, p. 302).
2. The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that God is Spirit (John 4:24; 1 Timothy 6:15,16), He is not a man (Numbers 23:19; Hosea 11:9; Romans 1:22, 23), and has always (eternally) existed as God — all powerful, all knowing, and everywhere present (Psalm 90:2; 139:7-10; Isaiah 40:28; Luke 1:37).
By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that God the Father was once a man like us who progressed to become a God and has a body of flesh and bone (Doctrine and Covenants 130:22; “God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!” from Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-347; Gospel Principles, p. 9; Articles of Faith, p. 430; Mormon Doctrine, p. 321). Indeed, the Mormon Church teaches that God himself has a father, and a grandfather, ad infinitum (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 373; Mormon Doctrine, p. 577).
3. The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that Jesus is the unique Son of God; he has always existed as God, and is co-eternal and co-equal with the Father (John 1:1, 14; 10:30; 14:9; Colossians 2:9). While never less than God, at the appointed time He laid aside the glory He shared with the Father (John 17:4,5; Philippians 2:6-11) and was made flesh for our salvation; His incarnation was accomplished through being conceived supernaturally by the Holy Spirit and born of a virgin (Matthew 1:18-23; Luke 1:34-35).
By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that Jesus Christ is our elder brother who progressed to godhood, having first been procreated as a spirit child by Heavenly Father and a heavenly mother; He was later conceived physically through intercourse between Heavenly Father and the virgin Mary (Achieving a Celestial Marriage, p. 129; Mormon Doctrine, pp. 546-547; 742). Mormon doctrine affirms that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers (Gospel Principles, pp. 17-18; Mormon Doctrine, p. 192).
4. The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost are not separate Gods or separate beings, but are distinct Persons within the one Triune Godhead. Throughout the New Testament the Son and the Holy Spirit, as well as the Father are separately identified as and act as God (Son: Mark 2:5-12; John 20:28; Philippians 2:10,11; Holy Spirit: Acts 5:3,4; 2 Corinthians 3:17,18; 13:14); yet at the same time the Bible teaches that these three are only one God (see point 1).
By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three separate Gods (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 370; Mormon Doctrine, pp. 576-577), and that the Son and Holy Ghost are the literal offspring of Heavenly Father and a celestial wife (Joseph Fielding McConkie, Encyclopedia of Mormonism, vol. 2, p. 649).
5. The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that the disobedience of our first parents Adam and Eve was a great evil. Through their fall sin entered the world, bringing all human beings under condemnation and death. Thus we are born with a sinful nature, and will be judged for the sins we commit as individuals. (Ezekiel 18:1-20; Romans 5:12-21).
By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that Adam’s sin was “a necessary step in the plan of life and a great blessing to all of us” (Gospel Principles, p. 33; Book of Mormon — 2 Nephi 2:25; Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp. 114-115).
6. The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that apart from the saving work of Jesus Christ on the cross we are spiritually “dead in trespasses and sins” (Ephesians 2:1,5) and are powerless to save ourselves. By grace alone, apart from self-righteous works, God forgives our sins and makes us worthy to live in His presence (Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5-6). Our part is only to cling to Christ in heartfelt faith. (However, it is certainly true that without the evidence of changed conduct, a person’s testimony of faith in Christ must be questioned; salvation by grace alone through faith, does not mean we can live as we please – Romans 6:1-4).
By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that eternal life in the presence of God (which it terms “exaltation in the celestial kingdom”) must be earned through obedience to all the commands of the Mormon Church, including exclusive Mormon temple rituals. Works are a requirement for salvation (entrance into the “celestial kingdom”) — Gospel Principles, p. 303-304; Pearl of Great Price — Third Article of Faith; Mormon Doctrine, pp. 339, 671; Book of Mormon — 2 Nephi 25:23).
7. The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that the purpose of the atoning work of Christ on the cross was to provide the complete solution for humankind’s sin problem. However, those who reject God’s grace in this life will have no part in this salvation but are under the judgment of God for eternity (John 3:36; Hebrews 9:27; 1 John 5:11-12).
By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that the purpose of the atonement was to bring resurrection and immortality to all people, regardless of whether they receive Christ by faith. Christ’s atonement is only a partial basis for worthiness and eternal life, which also requires obedience to all the commands of the Mormon church, including exclusive Mormon temple rituals (Gospel Principles, pp. 74-75; Mormon Doctrine, p. 669).
8. The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that the Bible is the unique, final and infallible Word of God (2 Timothy 3:16; Hebrews 1:1,2; 2 Peter 1:21) and that it will stand forever (1 Peter 1:23-25). God’s providential preservation of the text of the Bible was marvelously illustrated in the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls.*
By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that the Bible has been corrupted, is missing many “plain and precious parts” and does not contain the fullness of the Gospel (Book of Mormon — 1 Nephi 13:26-29; Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, pp. 190-191).
9. The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that the true Church was divinely established by Jesus and could never and will never disappear from the earth (Matthew 16:18; John 15:16; 17:11). Christians acknowledge that there have been times of corruption and apostasy within the Church, but believe there has always been a remnant that held fast to the biblical essentials.
By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that there was a great and total apostasy of the Church as established by Jesus Christ; this state of apostasy “still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel” of the Mormon Church (Gospel Principles, pp. 105-106; Mormon Doctrine, p. 44).
Conclusion: The above points in italics constitute the common gospel believed by all orthodox Christians through the ages regardless of denominational labels. On the other hand, some new religions such as Mormonism claim to be Christian, but accept as Scripture writings outside of the Bible, teach doctrines that contradict the Bible, and hold to beliefs completely foreign to the teachings of Jesus and His apostles.
Mormons share with orthodox Christians some important moral precepts from the Bible. However, the above points are examples of the many fundamental and irreconcilable differences between historic, biblical Christianity and Mormonism. While these differences do not keep us from being friendly with Mormons, we cannot consider them brothers and sisters in Christ. The Bible specifically warns of false prophets who will teach “another gospel” centered around “another Jesus,” and witnessed to by “another spirit” (2 Corinthians 11:4,13-15; Galatians 1:6-9). Based on the evidence presented above, we believe Mormonism represents just such a counterfeit gospel.
It has been pointed out that if one claimed to be a Mormon but denied all the basic tenets of Mormonism ¾ that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, that the Book of Mormon is true and divinely inspired, that god was once a man who progressed to godhood through keeping the laws and ordinances of the Mormon Church, and that the Mormon Church was divinely established ¾ the Mormon Church would reject such a person’s claim to being a Latter-day Saint. One cannot fairly call oneself a Mormon is one does not believe the fundamental doctrines taught by the Mormon Church. By the same token, if the Mormon Church does not hold to even the basic biblical truths believed by the greater Christian community down through the ages, how can Christians reasonably be expected to accept Mormonism as authentic Christianity?
If the Mormon Church believes it is the only true Christian Church, it should not attempt to publicly present itself as a part of a broader Christian community. Instead it should tell the world openly that those who claim to be orthodox Christians are not really Christians at all, and that the Mormon Church is the only true Christian Church. This in fact is what it teaches privately, but not publicly.
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Terry and Talia– Benjamin Nitu should take his own advice and be open, along with reading the Book of Mormon. If he would read MORE Mormon literature and lay aside his presuppositions he might find that JOSEPH-not John Smith knew Jesus Christ in a more personal way than most of us will ever know him while in our mortal bodies. Let him conduct the very experiment that he wishes you to conduct, and if he seeks with a broken heart and a contrite spirit, he shall find the Jesus Christ of Christianity.
Ben sort of reminds me of a blogger I see a lot of on these Mitt Romney threads called Virginia Daddy. Talks a whole lot about things religious, in a manner that teases you into thinking he may be open to adding to his knowledge, but his mind is already firmly made up regarding this issue and you are spinning your wheels trying to engage him in expanding his knowledge of scripture. We members of the Latter Day Saints are quick to want to share our beliefs and these have withstood every challange to the doctrine given to us by Christ.
Since the 17th chapter of the book of John speaks about the people of our church, I consider it to be very important to all Latter Day Saints. The Lord prays for us that we may be ONE with Him and His Father. How is that done, once more? Are we to believe that we are the same being as the ONE God, since we are to be ONE with God?
Give me a break! Terry, as long as you can qualify to have the Holy Spirit lead you, then Good Luck with your quest to share. I think ole Virginia Daddy wore my patience a little thin with his sort. At least for awhile.
To Benjamin Nitu: Why would you think that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints strip Jesus Chirst of his divinity? I’m confused as to where that thought process comes from.
Ben, I’m confused as to why you think that Mormons strip Jesus of His Divinity?
Teri, I try to let people define themselves. It is safer that way.
I’m not anti-Mormon; saying that Mormons are not Christians is a fact. Christians in its most basic definition is a follower of Christ. Jesus makes it clear in New Testament that he is God of very God, that He and the Father are one, that they are both eternal, equal. A Jesus stripped of his complete divinity is not the Jesus of the Bible. If Jesus is less than the Father then wouldn’t praising Him be considered idolatry?
Also, let me make this clear once again: If Jesus is not God as the Father and the Holy Spirit are, then his death can not pay the price for my salvation. Because our sin is against God, the payment for our sin has to be enough to satisfy his justice. And anything less than fully God won’t do it. Mormons can talk all they want about atonement, but the reality is that their Jesus is not big enough to save anyone.
I realize that my words might offend and even hurt some people. But I urge you, be open. Let the true God reveal Himself to you. God’s promise is still true today: look and you shall find.
All I’m asking you is to please look more into it. Read something else other than John Smith and Mormons’ literature. Do a simple experiment, leave all your presuppositions aside and read the gospel of John. Read the claims of Jesus.
May God bless you.
Teri Kelson-Bledsoe –
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Sorry guys – you’re incorrect. If you want to know about the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day-Saints, ask one – not a Catholic, Protestant, “Christian”, Jew, Muslim or Baptist. When I want to know about other’s religions, I do not rely upon fraudulent information fed to me that is anti-Mormom – I ask the people of that particular denomination. I suggest you do the same. It is rude and obtuse to belittle another’s faith, then have the temerity to suggest that the members of the church are not Christians. We love the Lord Jesus Christ as much as you do, so knock it off. We don’t run around saying mean spirited things about evagelicals or anyone else, so why do you?
Do you people think that this is Christ-like behavior???
Welcome back Ben!
First of all, Mormons are not Christians!
If Jesus is not God, same essence as the Father, eternal, co-equal with the Father and the Holy Spirit, then his sacrifice is meaningless, completely meaningless.
That being said, I totally agree with Ravi. Even though he is spiritually lost, Mitt Romney shares common values with us. I think it comes down to choosing the best of the worst. Not a lot of good candidates out there.
My first thoughts considering the question (of whether or not I, as a Christian could pull the lever for a mormon) was: which is worse? him or Hillary (or any of the Dems for that matter), but then I got to thinking, can I really support someone who believes in a heretical doctrine about my Lord? Bottom line is: I don’t really like Romney anyway. He strikes me as a show pony, a sort of republican Al Gore. I’m hoping we have a better choice when it really comes down to it.
Oh boy. It amazes me that people are still so uneducated about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints. The statements about the church not believing in the Christ of the New Testament are completely incorrect and false. We do not believe that God the Father and His Beloved Son are one and the same; we do believe that they are distinct and seperate personages, one our Eternal Father in Heaven, the other sent by Him to atone and redeem those who would (and still will) listen to The Christ’s message of unconditional love for ALL the inhabitants of the earth – including Muslims, Buddists, Hindus and any one else that comes along. The Lord God does not discriminate; why do we continue to do so? While there are some doctrinal differences between the LDS church and our brothers and sisters in other denominations, we all agree on one thing – that Jesus is the Christ, sent as the Lamb to atone for the sins of this world. Let’s leave it at that and understand that the LDS church was built upon the rock of salvation, the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Jeff,
Why doesn’t the logic apply? Let’s review it again. In post # 62 Seanmahair says to Artbyruth about post # 6, “With the hate you spewed so far it’s obvious that the you and the gospel of Jesus Christ are somewhat estranged.”
You stated in post # 63 “It seems like the more “orthodox” a christian is the more hateful comments they seem to make.” Then in post #65 you said, “It is something I have struggled with and validating what he (speaking of Seanmahair) was saying.”
If you are validating seanmahir’s post, then both of you have said about or to Artbyruth that he has spewed hate and that his comments are hateful. At least seanmahir tried to rebut Artbyruth’s statements, but you did not. You just said, “the more “orthodox” a christian is the more hateful comments they seem to make.”
Now, back to my original point. Can you please address Artbyruth’s argument instead of just saying that his comments are hateful?
Regarding the “I am right, you are wrong statement.” In post # 65 you said, “This worldview, creates an “I am right, you are wrong” attitude. The end results, in what I have seen, is a general hateful attitute towards other cultures, especially those who have a religious belief that contrary to Christianity.”
Basically, you have stated that it is wrong to have an, “I am right, you are wrong” attitude. In other words, those who have this attitude are wrong. It sounds to me like you think you are right and they are wrong. If you have this attitude, and it, “is a generally hateful attitute towards other cultures,” then how is it that you do not have a hateful attitude?
Keith, you make no sense, that logic doesn’t apply to the above statments. 1. I NEVER said that a person is hateful for disagreeing with me. In fact the people I was referring to on the radio, I agreed with them, however their approach was to paint with a broad brush on anyone in the Islamic faith. That can breed and attitude of hatefulness. Also, I never said that just because someone thinks they are right makes them a hateful person. I am saying that many people take this worldview and run with it, which can breed an attitude of hatefulness. Please stop making pointless arguements and try to understand what people are saying before you post. Much appreciated.
Jeff,
When you say that someone is hateful for disagreeing with you, that is calling names and not dealing with the argument. The very fact that you take issue with the “I am right and you are wrong” attitude means that you think they are wrong and you are right. Does this now mean that you are hateful?
Keith, who is calling any names? I was replying to what seanmahair was saying. It is something I have struggled with and validating what he was saying. I didn’t mention any specifics, I see in the Christian community a lot of WE ARE RIGHT and they are WRONG. Even in the Christian community that is the case. Look at Paul Edwards and his arguments with Catholics, Emergents, Church Growth, Charasmatics etc. EVERYBODY thinks they are right and EVERYBODY seems use the Bible to back their point up. This worldview, creates an “I am right, you are wrong” attitude. The end results, in what I have seen, is a general hateful attitute towards other cultures, especially those who have a religious belief that contrary to Christianity. People would never admit that but that is what I have observed. I have listened to Christian shows where all these guys were doing was painting all folks in the Islam religion as, since their religion is false, then they must be evil. These people maybe in a false religion but they are still created in the image of God and God loves the as much as you and I. That is my point.
Jeff,
I find that when people start using the ” you are hateful” argument, they are generally too lazy to come up with a valid argument. Is this true of you as well? If so, please stop the name calling and stick to the issue.
Sean mahair,
I have struggled with the points that you make. It seems like the more “orthodox” a christian is the more hateful comments they seem to make. I aspouse the protestant beliefs, however, I recognize the hypocrasy and hatefulness that I see among my brothers and sisters in the Lord. I think this is the reason that so many christians jumped on the bandwagon for this disaster in Iraq. After all we are good and those Islams are evil and we should help in enforcing God’s judgement upon them. Too many of us are lemmings that look to other people to make their decisions for them. If a person in the mountains of tebet never heard the name of Jesus but understood God and wanted to Love him with all their heart soul mind and strength, and they loved their neighbor as themselves, many christians would say that person is going to hell because he did not as Jesus to be their personal Lord and savior. Yet many of those Christians will say a prayer and utilize grace for a means to live like hell on this earth. After all, there is no good thing in us and it is the work of Christ in us. I wonder how many of our doctrines in the modern church are man made, my guess is many.
We are still all missing the point, if a guy flips on a position in the past they will in the future. We need integrity in the office.
Attention: Artbyruth – July 26, 2007
//Sorry, but Mormons do not believe in the Jesus of the Bible.// And you know this how? Did you ask “Mormons” to describe to you the Jesus they worship and YOU decided it wasn’t the same guy. If you had done any research you might have found the answers given to you by active, practicing members of “The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter day Saints very interesting.
// They worship a false god and spread a false gospel.//
Only if believing in the two greatest commandments constitutes false doctrine.
Love the Lord your God with you whole heart, mind and strength and the second is like unto it. Love thy neighbor as thyself.
On these hang all the laws and the prophets.
With the hate you spewed so far it’s obvious that the you and the gospel of Jesus Christ are somewhat estranged.
//According to the Bible, those who spread a false gospel are accursed (damned to hell).//
Who’s spreading a false gospel, you know the gospel of hate, distrust and contention?
//Jesus and God are one in the same. And if Mitt Romney claims to be a Mormon, then he does not worship Jesus as God, nor does be worship the Jesus of the Bible.//
Many Christian religions have over millenea argued these claims. We are made in the IMAGE of our Father in Heaven. If he has no body how is it that we do? Where were we before we came here, what did we do, why are we here and what will happen after we leave? If you don’t have those answers don’t criticize those who not only believe they do but then try to live their lives according to those beliefs.
I am sorry for you and people like you. I don’t believe everyone has to be Mormon, but I do believe that “Christians” should never attack, disrespect or lie about fellow Christians. I have spent my life trying to do no harm to other people, to live a Christ like life and raised my children to do the same. It’s times like this I almost wonder whether it has done any good at all.
Daniel,
Great comments, as I have stated, I agree Ron Paul would make the best candidate because he wants to restore this country to what it once was. The question I keep asking myself, why is it that the “Christian” right leaders keep ignoring him? You have Pat Robertson endorsing Guliani and Dobson talking about how Newt would be a great candidate even though he has a somewhat shady past. Ron Paul has all the character of a candidate that a christian would desire so why not endorse him? Is it the War? should we be endorsing this preemtive war, is that Christ like? How about money? Ron Paul wants to abolish the IRS and federal reserve, that would take away tax free status. Is that it? Is it money? Who knows, but with what I have witnessed with the scandals in the administration its unfettered support of the family values organizations I really have to go Hmmmmmmm.
Brief Overview of Congressman Paul’s Record:
He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.
He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.
I want him leading my nation……
I think Romney would make a great president. His past experience qualifies him, his religion qualifies, and what I know of his character qualifies him as well. I have worked with Mormons and it witnessed little difference between their music and statements about him than my protestant beliefs. However, I think Ron Paul would make the best President because his goal would be to restore a government to the bounds of the Constitution, which in turn would honor the Judeo-Christian principles about which Ravi spoke as does Paul on occasion.
Don,
Thanks for researching and making informed decisions, I think we as Christians need to step up and understand the issues. The Christians = Republicans think needs to be over, the past 7 years should open all our eyes to that with all the scandles and misinformation that we have been lead to believe from our “Godly” Republican leaders. Politics and Religion is a scary combination, we need to look at the record of the candidates, what they stand for and how they are going to help this country. We vote our guys in office to serve this country, not the UN, or to help built a North American Union like the EU in Europe, or to go over and invade other countries with preemtive war. Thanks Don for being informed, like you have said before you vote Jesus and Jesus is not a republican or democrate…….
Jeff
I have listened to Ron Paul on several occasions. He make sense. Staying within the boundaries of rational thought, and should he become a plausible candidate, I could vote for him with the knowledge I have now. That being said, he still must build a team that can win. The business talents of Mitt are a consideration also. The ideas of Ron Paul coupled with a consumer based federal tax structure, could do it for me. All that we can do now is watch and see how this will play out.
May the Lord bless you today.
Don
Bubba,
Don’t buy the lie of no clear path to Iraq, they said the same thing about Vietnam we finally stopped the war and they stabilized. If there is not big change, that Ron Paul is proposing we could be in for a big suprise in ten years. Ron Paul was against the war from the beginning because it was a preemitve strike on a country that did nothing to us. Eisenhower stated preemtive strikes were an invention of Hitler and he would never listen to anyone who would consider it. Ron Paul wants to end Nafta, stop the North American Union, limit government like it was originally intented.
Ron Paul is actually getting a lot of grassroots support, you will not see that on TV because he is not a member of the Council of Foreign relations, the very group that is trying to institute the North American Union. Romney, Guliani, McCain, Thompson, Clinton, Edwards and Obama are, and notice how the media will cover them but not Paul, even though every internet Poll has Paul leading by a landslide.
People are tired of our preemtive War stratagies, they are tired of big government, they want a solution to our ever mounting national debt, they want jobs to comeback to America. We can’t continue on this path or our power as a nation will be in grave jeopardy. It may be too late, but I am going to try to understand the issues, look at where we are at in this country and vote for the person that has the integrity to want to make this country beloved around the world like it used to be. I have to do it for my kids sake.
Jeff,
Ron Paul shines on integrity and pro-life issues.
However, he has none of the experience Governor Romney has in reducing waste and taxes and debts.
His whole take on Iraq is overly simplistic–he offers no clear path except cut and run and risk an incredibly destabilized region which we might have to go back to.
His campaign seems to be focused on isolationism and individual rights.
Finally, he hasn’t got the organizational umph to win. One of the tests of political leadership is being able to get an organization together that actually produces results. Paul hasn’t been able to get any traction. Romeny, however, went from nowhere to being first in the polls in NH and Iowa. This says much about the political effectiveness of these two men.
Ron Paul has a number of good ideas and seems to be a trustworthy man, but you’ve got to have more than that to actually produce results. He submits bill after bill, but how many actually make it out of committee?
Results are what counts. There’s only one candidate that’s actually PROVEN he can accomplish significant things. And that’s Romney.
Question: Is America really the chosen land above all others?
Answer: Yes, It was the only place on earth that the true gospel could be restored and taught freely, at a time when many hungered and thirsted for truth. Today, it remains the best hope for a freedom seeking people. We have been so corrupted by those who wish to take our agency and substitute a socialistic society that we have become a nation with 2 parties that are both giving in to this mindset.
The only difference is, one is embracing this philosophy at a faster rate than the other. We need government officials who understand this and fight against giving away our libertys and God given rights in the name of fairness and political correctness.
Tony, remember the story about the leaven being added to the lump? In Matt. 13:33 it is compared to the inward growth and influence of the kingdom of heaven (church) upon the earth. Small in numbers but huge in influence.
Looking at further misunderstandings by you: In one verse, Jesus’s vineyard, in my humble opinion, represents the properties of the church that have been purchased by his agents, to expand the stakes of Zion. The Lord uses his servants upon earth to accomplish most of his work. He rarely directly intervenes. Thus Joseph was called to go and redeem his vineyard.
How do we avenge Him of His enemies? With righteous living and teaching true principles. The Lord speaks and destroys evil with truth. So do we when we speak truth. Darkness, error, deceit, and such, cannot withstand truth.
Do you wish to be cursed by God for fighting against truth? I don’t think any of us do. Jackson County, Missouri is down the road, but coming soon.
Mitt Romney is not called as a prophet and will not lead the people in this regard.
Yay for ones like Ravi Zacharias who wisely evaluate and argue important issues such as these. But his comments are not what grabbed my attention. What did is this: What is a book by Samuel Harris doing on the best seller list with such a statement as “if he had a magic wand to eradicate religion or eradicate rape, he would eradicate religion”, then what kind of values and mindset does Harris really have? In this one statement he has shown his ignorances and his prejudices, and why the tolerance with such statements? Has anyone challenged such hate statements like this one?
article title: “How could a Mormon President affect Missouri?”
Some time ago, Mitt Romney officially entered the 2008
presidential race.
How would the political and religious landscape be altered in
the event a Mormon was elected as US President? Would he adhere
to or be influenced by teachings of The Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter-day Saints?
Upon visiting his website at http://www.mittromney.com/, one
used to be greeted by the following banner:
“America’s greatest innovation is freedom. Without freedom,
we have nothing. With freedom, nothing can hold us back.”
With the potential of a very small percentage of people in the
world, and in the United States for that matter, knowing little
about who Latter-day Saints are, it is time we use this freedom
to empower people to learn about this religious movement.
Is America really the chosen land above all others?
Let’s peek into the teachings of the Church’s founder, Joseph
Smith.
Joseph Smith revealed he was the servant the Lord spoke of
in the parable of the vineyard:
“Verily, verily I say unto you, that my servant Joseph
Smith, Jun., is the man to whom I likened the servant to
whom the Lord of the vineyard spake in the parable which
I have given unto you” (D&C 103:21).
According to http://scriptures.lds.org, this passage is a
reference to D&C 101:44-55:
“A certain nobleman had a spot of land, very choice; and
he said unto his servants: Go ye unto my vineyard, even
upon this very choice piece of land, and plant twelve
olive-trees; And the lord of the vineyard said unto one
of his servants: Go and gather together the residue of my
servants, and take all the strength of mine house, which
are my warriors, my young men, and they that are of middle
age also among all my servants, who are the strength of
mine house, save those only whom I have appointed to
tarry.”
Let’s look further a few verses:
“And go ye straightway unto the land of my vineyard, and
redeem my vineyard; for it is mine; I have bought it with
money” (D&C 101:56).
Jesus did not buy His vineyard with money. Jesus, not
Joseph Smith, is the Redeemer.
“Therefore, get ye straightway unto my land; break down
the walls of mine enemies; throw down their tower, and
scatter their watchmen. And inasmuch as they gather
together against you, avenge me of mine enemies, that by
and by I may come with the residue of mine house and
possess the land” (D&C 101:57-58; 103:11-36).
The Biblical Jesus did not command us to avenge Him of
His enemies. The Mormon Jesus did.
Joseph Smith also gave a revelation that in some future
time the Latter-day Saints would rise up in battle to
recapture the lands of consecration. The parable of
Zion’s redemption is given (D&C 101:43-58). It was
written that Joseph Smith would be the Moses-like figure
to lead the Latter-day Saints and avenge God of His
enemies. Joseph Smith was to be the servant of this
parable. The enemies were to be cursed and fought
against by the faithful Mormons, thus marking
themselves as obedient disciples (D&C 103:16-28).
When Zion has gathered to a sufficiently large enough
army, Joseph Smith revealed that they should go to these
lands (including Jackson County) and overthrow their
enemies. This would even intimidate the other kingdoms
of the world (D&C 105:16, 26-32).
According to LDS Church teachings, Missouri is the state
where the saints hope to build the New Jerusalem before the
Second Coming of Christ.
Will Mitt Romney lead the Latter-day Saints on this course?
One Salient Oversight– As a Latter Day Saint, I have a completely different take on these statements.
Warnings given to leaders are given to help them avoid mistakes. There are consquences to every action. Blessings and curses. This has never changed from old testament days right up until today. We should understand that God is unchanging by reading- all- of his dealings with mankind, not just the part that deals with Jesus Christ ( the NT ).
The new covenant allows us to have our sins remitted by our faith in Christ as our savior, repenting of them, being baptized by one having authority, receiving the Holy Ghost, by those with authority laying their hands upon your head and conferring this gift, and then by enduring to the end of your life.
The old covenant taught the law of sacrifice and was first given to Adam and his posterity. Abraham was shown the depth of the love of God for us by being asked to sacrifice his son ( Isaac). This
was a similitude (or type) of the great sacrifice God gave us, by offering his son (Christ) to suffer and die to pay the price for our sins. The people of OT times were given covenants and laws to point them to the day when Christ would come and replace the sacrifice of blood with faith in and obedience to Christ’s commandments.
Americans (politicians, church leaders, or not) have the same promise as Abraham, when we abide the requirements stated above.