8 comments to “In the new evangelicalism, pragmatism prevails over principle”

  1. Michael | August 7, 2007 | Permalink Reply

    I agree whole-heartedly! As an independent, fundamental Baptist after the mold of the likes of J. Frank Norris (and Paul of Tarsus), I have less and less in common with today’s “evangelical leaders.”

  2. Don Sivyer | August 8, 2007 | Permalink Reply

    Michael,

    I am not aware of many who even know the name, J. Frank Norris let alone are willing to affiliate with it. Like it or not, he stood up for his positions. You must also recall when todays “evangelicals” were referred to as “new evangelicals”, and we were warned about them from the pulpits across America, that they would usher in a cold, dead, weak, Gospel message. Although, many of the Christian leaders of this era had plenty of their own issues to debate, they are a testimony to the greatness of the God we serve. The flame that once was bright is all but gone out, in my humble opinion. As has been true through out time, the answers comes from on high, rather than men.
    I agree with Paul when he asks God to give us someone to stand against this trend, however I believe we are past any great men coming on the scene. The next great “reformation” in my book is called the “second coming of Christ”. This reformation will not be sprinkled with Romanism, Paganism, or any other isms, “for we shall see him as he is”.

    II Timothy 3

  3. Rabbi Glenn | August 8, 2007 | Permalink Reply

    About the only thing more pathetic than having outsiders define us would be to define ourselves by following the likes of these ersatz leaders. Paul is right – we need a Holy Spirit-led modern reformation.

    BTW, T. D. Jakes doesn’t even qualify as a Christian, let alone an evangelical. He denies the Trinity. He couches his language carefully but it is clear that he holds to a modern form of Arianism (modalistic monarchianism): something which was long ago settled at Nicea.

  4. Mike from St Clair Shores | August 13, 2007 | Permalink Reply

    This a link to a published booklet from Frank Page called the Trouble With The TULIP:

    Frank has disassociated himself from Calvinism or, what I prefer to call doctrines of Grace. Notice he comes up with his own acronysm called G R A C E which is not grace at all but is a works “descision” doctrine.

    http://www.jpbc.org/writings/br-trouble_with_tulip.html

  5. Mike from St Clair Shores | August 13, 2007 | Permalink Reply

    Pardon me. I rather meant to say it is a link to a critique of Frank Page’s booklet, The Trouble With The Tulip.

  6. Paul Edwards | August 13, 2007 | Permalink Reply

    Great link, Mike! Thanks.

    Paul

  7. Calvin Moore | August 14, 2007 | Permalink Reply

    You asked on your program who should be the voice of evangelicalism today, who best represents what I believe? A lot of people called in and named giants such as Piper, Keller, Begg, Carson, etc. A younger evangelical I personally look up to is Pastor Mark Driscoll out at Mars Hill. All of these representatives seem to be of a Reformed theological bent, and Driscoll is admittedly influenced by the aforementioned Christian theologians, but Driscoll is more of a face for the generation that is marching forward.

  8. Don Sivyer | August 15, 2007 | Permalink Reply

    May I suggest the same “Still Small Voice” (I Kings 19:12) that has always lead us. He is, I assume, still able to raise up a man, or group of men, should he choose. Do we need any one else other than the Captain of our salvation? May I also submit to us that this Captain has never lead a battle in the wrong direction.

    My hope is built on nothing less,
    Than Jesus’ blood and righteousness.
    I dare not trust the sweetest frame,
    But wholly trust in Jesus’ name.

    “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved”.

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